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Dear Tom, I first want to thank you for the book and tell you how much
I enjoyed it. As a
philosopher, my joy comes from seeing new viewpoints and your book
definitely gave me new perspectives as well as clarifying older
viewpoints. I also want to tell you how much I respect you as a human
being, even though I intend to vigorously disagree with some of your
models. I really
don't understand why earth humans haven't learned to disagree without
being disagreeable. As a
philosopher, I make many mistakes.
But for every mistake there comes a chance to learn.
If we value the truth, we must be able to admit our own mistakes.
I like the honesty that pervades your writing and I appreciate
your willingness to state which parameters will prove or disprove your
models. Such openness is
mostly missing in modern science, from what I have seen.
Please take all that I say as communication from one caring human
being to another and not as criticism of your work.
Even though I disagree with some of your conclusions, I still
think you have done more to advance cosmology than Dr. Hawking himself,
who has done relatively little original thinking, in my humble opinion. In order to try to balance things between praise and
criticism of your work, I would first like to summarize my thoughts of
your entire book. Then I
will go through page by page and make my specific comments regarding
successes or failures that I see in your observations and conclusions. Faster-than-light motion in forward
time is possible. I agree. Gravitation propagates faster than
light. I agree. The physical universe has five, and
only five, dimensions. I
disagree. Three are enough. The universe is infinite in extent
in all five dimensions. I
agree the cosmos is infinite. There was no (single) Big Bang
explosion to start the (our) universe.
I agree there was not a single event.
However evidence in the heavens shows that many such events have
occurred and in fact must occur in an infinite cosmos, where every
system must cycle. The universe is not expanding.
I agree. Physical
systems move in every direction of an infinite cosmos. The universal microwave radiation
is of nearby origin. Possible,
but Not Enough Information To Make A Decision (NEITMAD). There are no black holes in the
universe. I disagree.
Mankind has already "photographed" them.
See picture later in document. Quasars are associated with our own
and nearby galaxies. Possible NEITMAD Galaxies are arranged in waves in
an immense medium. I
disagree. Your model has
galaxies clumped into waves of the standing medium.
Under GMOPS, these structures would be 3D, in that additional
perpendicular walls would form between your "wave" walls. Gravitational shielding is
possible. I disagree.
Gravitational systems represent all mass that has gone into the
system. It is never
shielded, but recycled when black holes become too large to hold their
energy and come apart as a Big Bang Event (BBE). It may be technically possible to control the connections of
gravity, thus achieving a form of gravitational shielding. The force of gravity is caused by a
universal flux. I disagree.
All bonds between all masses are gravitational bonds, arise from
the mass and are called gravions. Interaction
between mass and the "strong force (a component of the
gravitational system)," push out connections of gravity that loop
outward from the mass and define the objects space.
These connections represent nature's coordinate system.
They form, connect, and disconnect at the speed of gravity (C2).
All real events begin with the connection of gravions and proceed
with the subsequent exchanges of energy that occur at the speed of C or
less. Where did your flux
come from? The force of gravity has limited
range. I agree.
GMOPS fully supports the sphere of influence concept and the
orbital mechanics as proposed by your book. The classical description of
quantum entities is incorrect. I
agree. Quantum entities are
actually gravitational events occurring at the speed of gravity.
Since all of mankind's instruments are currently restricted to
the speed of light in gaining information, it is not hard to imagine why
that tiny world looks as a blur to modern scientists.
The Moore Certainty Principle:
"I'm certain that nature knows the position and
characteristics of every particle that exists in any universe."
If we learn to use the connections of gravity to "look"
at these events, I think we too then might be able to "see"
the exact nature of all real physical systems.
GMOPS preserves classical thought, in that a physical medium
(gravions, once referred to as the aether) must be present for physical
systems to "communicate" information. The Bell Inequality in quantum
physics should be violated. I
agree. There is no "Oort Cloud"
of comets. Probable.
NEITMAD Comets and asteroids are quite
similar in nature. I agree. Comets and asteroids are
accompanied by satellites. I
agree. A former major planet exploded
between Mars and Jupiter. Probable
NEITMAD This explosion occurred just three
million years ago. Possible
NEITMAD. One connection I
think you forgot to mention in your book, is that many of the Martian
meteorites have an exposure age of about 3 million years.
These might have been knocked off Mars at the time of your last
proposed planetary breakup event. This explosion was the origin of
comets and asteroids. Probable
NEITMAD This explosion may be connected
with the origins of man. Possible
NEITMAD The Great Pyramids in Egypt are
perhaps 9000 years old. Possible
NEITMAD Artificial structures may exist on
the surface of Mars. Possible
NEITMAD Tidal forces on the Sun and giant
planets are significant. I
agree. These relate to
specific connections of gravity and how they "bend." There may be a sunspot-planet link.
Possible NEITMAD Solar eclipses are best viewed away
from the center line. Probable.
I've only seen one. Mercury was originally a moon of
Venus. Possible NEITMAD Our moon originated from the
Pacific basin of the Earth. Possible
NEITMAD The moon no longer shows us the
same face it used to. Possible
NEITMAD The Martian moons are the survivors
of a great many moons. Possible
NEITMAD A great rift on Mars is the impact
site of a former moon. Possible
NEITMAD Jupiter's Red Spot is a floating
impact remnant. Possible
NEITMAD Saturn's rings are only a few
million years old. Possible
NEITMAD Solar system bodies have received
black deposits. Probable
NEITMAD The moons of Neptune were violently
disrupted. Possible NEITMAD Pluto and Charon are escaped moons
of Neptune. Possible
NEITMAD Another undiscovered planet
probably exits beyond Pluto. Probable
NEITMAD In general, I agree with your observations about how the
cosmos works, but I disagree with your proposed solution, the Meta
Model. The Meta Model rests
on false assumptions and ignores the first principle.
Also it doesn't solve problems like the energy of the human
spirit that is all covered under the gravionic model of physical systems
(GMOPS). I agree with your
descriptions of orbital dynamics and cannot (at this time) find any
flaws in your model of solar system development.
Surely within our lifetimes, measurements can be taken to prove
or disprove your fissioning process of planet and moon formation.
Exploding planets are not fun to think about, but you present
compelling evidence that the process has occurred one or more times.
Because we do not understand the process, doesn't mean that the
process can't happen. I
agree completely that the single Big Bang/single universe/single finite
cosmos model currently in vogue is not only improbable, but also
impossible, as a scientific model.
The fundamental Christians say that everything that ever was, was
created only 6,000 years ago, apparently from nothing.
The current crop of cosmologists say that everything that ever
was, was created 13,000,000,000 years ago, again from nothing. The only difference I see between the two models is a lot of
zeros. J When I was very little, I was told to pray for those things
that are important. Not
knowing exactly what things were important as a little boy, I have spent
my life trying to find what things might be important.
Thus when I wanted to think about important things as a boy, I
would close my eyes and imagine myself ascending above the Earth until I
could see the whole solar system below me.
Then I would ascend even further, until I could see the Milky Way
Galaxy below me. When I got
to this perspective, I thought I might be able to think of important
things. These things would
not only be important to human beings, but to any others that might
arise to awareness anywhere in an infinite cosmos.
In some ways, I have not spent much time thinking about our solar
system, because it seems such a small part of everything.
But you have obviously spent a great deal of time thinking about
our solar system and I respect your work and thoughts.
I have always just assumed that the particles "left
over" in our solar system were the remains of planets and suns that
went before and were distributed by the explosions of the sun in that
system. The "sun"
material and the "planet" material would be distributed in the
surrounding space and would show the signs of the explosions.
The explosion of planets during the life of the solar system
would certainly explain much of the data that seems to be coming in on
the asteroids, as represented by the meteorites we find.
Your information on exposure ages of meteorites does cast doubt
on an ancient origins model. I've
tried to research this age data, without much success so far.
Do you know where I might find this data, showing all young
exposure ages? Chapter One Most of my comments will revolve around the first few
chapters of your book, as I agree with most of the latter chapters,
especially the one on orbital dynamics.
In the end, to address the deficiencies I see in the Meta Model,
I must address the problems solved by the gravionic model of physical
systems (GMOPS). Like you,
I have seen the workings of nature and wondered at how it could all be
this way. GMOPS more
specifically solves the problems you attempted to solve with the Meta
Model, but the gravionic model goes way beyond in its models of life,
human consciousness and other problems related to the physical energies
of the human spirit, a real part of the cosmos.
Not having a better way to start, I'm just going to follow your
book through the first 5 chapters. You begin by asking a series of questions.
One of the problems in science is the lack of a good definition
of many words, such as time, universe, or reality.
One of the express purposes in GMOPS is to define all terms, so
that each of us, as we speak, can mean the same thing to each other.
Otherwise, we spend time arguing because our definitions are not
the same. We have no chance
of communicating with each other unless we come to a common definition
of the words we use to describe the models we propose. Through these and
hopefully many more discussions we can begin to arrive at this mutually
agreeable level. Therefore,
I would like to begin by answering the questions that you ask. Page 2
What is space? All
space, that we can know, is defined by the connections of gravity,
called gravions. Gravions
arise from the mass and result in the sphere of influence you describe.
What is time? Time
is the changing of the connections of gravity.
What is matter and energy?
Energy is defined as the substance of the cosmos.
Mass is defined as that part of the energy of the cosmos which
represents identity. Gravity is defined as that part of the energy of the cosmos
that represents relationship. Is space or time absolute (able to
exist without matter)? No.
The first principle states that the minimum condition for
existence in any universe is identity and relationship.
Just as you describe your first particle without a frame of
reference, if this particle doesn't exist within our frame of reference
(the connections of gravity), then we cannot know about its existence.
Each mass must bring its own space (gravity) as it comes into
existence. The mass and the
gravity of any "thing" is part of its existence and its
definition. The two cannot
be separated. Thus, without
mass, no space can be made and without the changing of these connections
of gravity, no time can pass. What is the nature of force?
In particular, what is gravity?
Gravity is nature's coordinate system.
Its job is to keep track of the "things" (mass and
energy) that exist. For any two systems to "know" about each other,
they must have at least one common connection of gravity, but generally
many more. Since gravity is
nature's coordinate system, it must not only be responsible for drawing
things in, but also for keeping things at the right distance apart. Therefore every bond between every mass must be a
gravitational bond, even though science likes to use lots of different
names for each type of bond. In
the beginning, they must all be gravitational connections.
(See Dear
Das Gupta). All
forces are therefore gravitational energies, transported through the
gravitational system. The
gravitational system updates itself at the speed of C2.
Energies moving through the system generally move at the speed of
C or less. The
electromotive force is actually energies moving from one physical system
(mass) through the connections of gravity (gravions) to a second
physical system. Thus the
electromotive force is not a force by itself, but rather part of a
physical system. Why do bodies seem to be able to
act on other bodies at a distant? They
have gravionic connections. As
mass comes into existence, it must bring its own space. As this mass makes gravitational connections with other
masses, the system works together to define an ever-larger space, by
producing ever-larger looping gravions (now partly defined by
superstring mathematics). The
gravionic energy comes from the mass.
Thus as more and more mass work together, they define an
ever-larger space. This is
the essence of the proportional relationship that exists between mass
and gravity and the sphere of influence you describe. Are space, time, and matter
infinitely divisible, or is there a limit to how small a unit of space,
time, or matter can be? Or
how large? There are limits
on all physical systems. The
limits are defined by E=gmc2, since this defines the energy
of any real physical system. Part
of the energies is in the mass and part of it is in the bonds or
gravitational connections (as well as the looping gravions generally
connected with pre-gravionic science).
Part of the energy is usually moving through the connections of
gravity, in any "normal" real physical system.
Since time is defined as the changing of the connections of
gravity, then there must be a minimum "time" for the
connection or disconnection between the two "closest" masses.
Likewise, E=gmc2 shows the limits of energy in any
physical system. C2
is the range of energies that are always in a ratio between the mass and
the gravitational system. Since
any new particle coming into existence in any universe must bring it
gravity with it, some of the energy of the system must be in the
"g" no matter how much is in the "m."
I have proposed that all real systems in nature are powered by
the conversion of mass energy into gravitational energy.
Since E=gmc2 shows the limits of any real physical
system, there must be a limit to both m and g as to their minimum and
maximum values, with the range being C2. What are the size, age, and mass of
the (our) universe? This
question assumes a single universe, but there again, we really have no
good definition of a universe. Under
the gravionic model, a universe is defined as those physical systems
that share common connections of gravity around a central region. The Milky Way and associated galaxies are probably the limits
of "our" universe. Everything
else we see belongs to other universes and is only slightly connected to
us by the largest of gravions generated by the largest of black holes,
where energy has been mostly transported out of the mass and is now
representing itself as these large gravitational systems with their
clusters of galaxies. The
cosmos is infinite, but each universe must have a beginning, middle, and
an end. One of the major
problems with the Meta Model, is there is no mechanism for recycling at
the largest of scales. Without
some method for recycling energies, the cosmos would sooner or later
"wind down." Since
it doesn't, there must be some method for recycling energies.
I have proposed that black holes can only grow so large before
they come apart. When
"m" reaches an effective value of zero (in E=gmc2),
there is nothing philosophically, mathematically, or physically to hold
the system together and it comes apart, redistributing the energy from
the gravitational system back into the separate masses. This energy is thus recycled and is available for use in
building a new universe, or participating in a universe that currently
exists. Also, since we can
never see all the cosmos that exists, we can only talk about measuring
that part that we can see. These
values can never be considered "totals" for an infinite
cosmos. Page 3-6 The One-Particle Universe There are apparently two choices. Either "space" comes from the mass, or it comes
from outside the mass. All
of traditional thought, including yours, has apparently assumed that
space is somehow "out there," and mass interacts with it in
some manner. Also, the
assumption has been made that the "space" is somehow
Euclidean. I say that
this concept ignores the first principle of GMOPS.
The minimum condition for existence in any universe is identity
and relationship. As any
particle comes into existence (I'll go into how this happens later on),
it must bring its own space with it. This is why everything in nature is relative.
All space is created by the connections of gravity that arise
from the mass at the speed of C2.
You and others have seen no way for space to come from the mass,
even though your sphere of influence model clearly shows this is true.
But my thoughts have led me to believe that the only choice
nature has, is to makes its space from the things that exist.
As we look at nature, we see the largest of structures creating
the largest of space. The
rules you describe for your sphere of influence apply at all levels.
The largest of black holes, create the largest spaces (or
universes) we see in the heavens.
Therefore, this represents a major break between your thoughts
and mine. I say nature must
make its space from its mass (strings from things) and you say you can't
imagine it, so you assume the opposite situation: that nature has some
space already made and mass just happens to interact with it.
Where did this space come from and how is it made?
You model doesn't answer these questions, and in fact, like all
other models, require us to accept on faith the existence of these
"extra" systems. GMOPS makes no such assumptions and clearly can define all we
see from "things" we have already measured: mass, energy, and
gravity. You state, "In the real universe there is a frame of
reference to provide meaning to distance and direction.
The reference frame is provided both by the presence of distant
matter in the universe as well as by seas of rapidly moving 'agents,'
such as protons and neutrinos. The
essential point is that the reference frame is provided by the presence
of substance in the universe."
Although you take the position that mass is not necessary to be
used to provide this "frame of reference" I think you have
presented evidence that favors GMOPS over the Meta Model. Mass is
necessary to create "space."
As I have already described, the connections of gravity are
evident everywhere in nature.
The large structures you mention form the "basis" of
the frame of reference, while every physical system that moves through
defines its own space. In
your model, we must assume particles and features never before measured,
while GMOPS uses only the three basic ingredients of energy, mass and
gravity to make all that we see. I
think your arguments here are good and well founded, but you suffer from
the basic assumption that nature's coordinate system must come from
outside the mass, while I argue the only way that nature has of making a
coordinate system is from the mass outward.
The larger the mass and the more the cooperation between them,
the large the space they will define. I agree with your assessments of the lone particle and the
lack of meaning that would be associated with words like speed,
direction, spin, and other measures of relationship.
This is another reason that each particle must bring its own
space with it. All of these
features do have meaning in nature and so nature must deal with the
problem from the very start. The reason that so many people assume the speed of gravity is
infinite, is because this is what we assume when we use Euclidean math
to solve a problem of the real world.
In your examples, you use a one-particle universe and then a
two-particle universe. You
correctly realize that without a coordinate system, these two particles
would really not have a relationship.
To solve this problem, most humans construct a three dimensional
coordinate system and place the two objects within the coordinate system
so that they can now calculate the distance between the objects, or
motion if it is occurring. But
what have they done in solving this problem?
They have created the coordinate system at an infinite rate in
relationship to their problem. They
just assume that the coordinate system takes no time to work, since in
their calculations the time required to make the coordinate system is
not considered. Nature
doesn't have this luxury. Since
the speed of gravity is faster than the speed of light, the coordinate
system can construct itself in "real" time.
But since there is a limit to the speed of gravity, it must take
some time to construct or reconstruct its coordinate system as
"things" move through it, each with their own gravitational
coordinate system defining its space and deciding its future
involvements. Thus nature's
coordinate system must account for the speed of its determination, while
mankind ignores this problem and just assumes the coordinate system can
do its job at an infinite rate with infinite abilities.
The single big bang model requires an infinite speed of the
coordinate systems, so that nature can somehow know the mass of
everything that exists, "at the same time."
This is impossible if there are any limitations to the speed or
affect of gravity. E=gmc2
and all the measurements we make of the cosmos clearly show that these
limitations are real. E=mc2 has been accepted as being real for many
years, yet I would contend it can't represent any real physical system,
event, or process. As an
example, take the calculation of sunlight hitting the Earth.
It has been said that every day, the Earth receives 4 and 1/2
pounds of mass via energy from the sun.
My question is, "Doesn't this mass have any gravity?"
How can one say that the Earth increases its mass without
increasing its gravity? Any
other example of the use of E=mc2 will elicit the same
response from me. How can
you change the mass of something without affecting its gravity? And where does the energy go in this equation?
In nature it must be contained within mass, or the connections of
gravity. It just can't
"go free" as this equation would have us assume.
In addition, E=mc2 has led mankind astray in our
understanding of entropy. When one looks at any reaction under this formula, one sees
that the mass loses energy in all real reactions.
This has led pregravionic science to come to the conclusion that
systems are winding down and that disorder is taking place. But once one looks at E=gmc2, one sees that the
energy of all real reactions is actually moving from the mass into the
gravitational system, by making new and varied connections.
Since the number of connections represents the order of any
universe, every universe is moving towards order, not away from it.
Examples within our own sight include our sun, patiently making
helium from hydrogen, thus making a more ordered product.
Our own planet Earth now contains far more order than when it
started. A single
leaf on a tree is in some ways more ordered than the entire planet, when
it first formed, possibly from fission from our sun.
The increase in order is always there in nature, if only we view
the situation from the highest possible viewpoint. Page 7-11 Zeno's Paradox I don't except Zeno's Paradox as having any relationship with
reality. The logic
does not hold up. The
fallacy lies in the words "at every instant."
First it assumes that every instant is the same for every system.
GMOPS indicates that time is the changing of gravions, but as
viewed from any one particular system, time is not continuous as present
science would have us believe. Since time is the changing of gravions, time passes for each
real "thing" only as its connections of gravity change.
The only way to think "of every instant" under GMOPS is
to imagine imaginary time, an invention of Dr. Hawking.
Although he doesn't know what it means, under GMOPS, imaginary
time is similar to the single step function in the older computers that
had address and data line switches by which the computers were
programmed. I used the
Imsai and Altair computers in this manner.
Imagine the room that you are in and all the connections of
gravity that must exist. Within
the molecules there are connections and between each of them, there are
connections to their neighbors. Now
imagine that you could instantly stop everything and examine the
connections. In addition,
you could see which connections of gravity might be possible in the next
"instant" of change of the connections of gravity.
In the old computers, once one entered the program, one could
"single step" through the operation of the program to check
for errors. Imagine that
same situation in our imaginary time experiment.
Imaginary time would be the examination of which connections are
possible in the next step, and thus which forms of reality are actually
possible in the near future, since not every connection of gravity could
occur in the next "instant" but only those close enough and
with the proper energies to make these new connections.
The gravitational system is constantly measuring the position and
speed of every mass, so it makes no sense to say that motion is
impossible. Merely the fact
of motion in our reality means that the conclusion of the paradox can
not be true. The same logic applies to your next example of something
moving from point A to B. Since
nature has a finite number of steps between every point A and every
point B, then the logic fails when one assumes there is not a finite
step length. Of course we
know in reality that we never make half steps to get from point A to
point B, since we generally make a finite number of steps of the same
length, which then does get us from point A to point B.
Again, since in nature this feature is not found (of not being
able to get from point A to point B) then we can't claim that Zeno's
Paradox somehow applies to nature, when it clearly doesn't.
Thus to take this paradox as a foundation to build a model of
reality seems destined to failure from the start, since it doesn't mimic
the actions of nature that we accept as real every day of our lives.
This is the second major point of contention with your model.
One of my degrees is in electronic systems.
I have spent 25 or 30 years solving complex computer problems.
One of the lessons I learned many years ago is to always check
one's assumptions. Any
house of logic is only as good as the assumptions on which it rests.
If the assumptions are false, then the logical house is likely to
be false. I think your
assumptions are false and thus you have built a logic that fails once
the assumptions are realized. This
is no sin and I don't think less of you for making what appears to me to
be a false assumption. I
have made many in my life in the repair of computer systems or
databases. I never thought
less of myself, because I had made a false line of reasoning, but in
fact rejoiced because I had now eliminated one line of thinking that
kept me from solving the problem. During
my "hay day" I was known as the guy who could solve any
computer problem. I could
never do that by accepting false assumptions and never ever checking
those assumptions. An open
mind requires the continued examination of our assumptions. Next, at the bottom of page 7, you consider two points
separated by the minimum space. Then
you inject another particle the same distance from the first, but
"closer" to the second. Again,
under GMOPS each real physical system defines its own space.
This space keeps other objects from becoming too close.
No two objects can define the same space and each must respect
the space of the other. Thus
again, the thought experiment shows no relationship to nature and thus
leads to false conclusions built upon false assumptions. Your next argument on page 8 assumes time to be another
dimension and then you use the previous arguments to show that time
suffers the same problem. Without
a proper definition of time, it is easy to see how you could make this
assumption, but I think nature shows that this concept is incorrect. Time is the changing of the connections of gravity and thus
is individual for every particle and physical system that exists.
There is no universal time like your experiment (and most of the
rest of science) assumes. Your conclusion on page 9 is erroneous.
Space and time both have physical limits, and since you assume
the opposite, all of your logic from this point on is suspect, since it
is based on false assumptions. What we actually have is a finite whole, made up of a finite
number of parts with a finite number of connections of gravity, all of
which exists in an infinite cosmos.
Every physical system is finite in its mass parts, its
connections of gravity, and its energy.
Through an infinite connection of gravions, it is, however,
connected to the rest of the infinite cosmos. Page 12-14 Zeno-like
Paradox for Matter "For example, when macroscopic bodies seem to touch,
they actually consist of mostly empty space at the atomic level: so it
must be their atoms which actually touch."
Actually it is the gravions that touch each other.
Since each physical system defines its own space, that space is
what actually touches when one physical system touches another.
You point out that the distance between masses is mostly space,
and since GMOPS says that every bond between every mass MUST be a
gravionic bond, then you have clearly made the point for me that the
connections of gravions define all space that we can know.
Once one realizes that the gravions are actually touching and not
the masses (except in more rare circumstances) then the paradox is
resolved and again is shown not to represent reality and therefore
represents a bad assumption when trying to understand the workings of
nature. "Substance must be infinitely divisible, as must space
and time, or else the paradoxes quickly lead to unresolvable logical
dilemmas." In
this instance I think you are confusing issues.
You seem to think that these paradox problems require infinite
divisibility, when GMOPS clearly points the other way.
Since you have used this assumption for the rest of your logical
arguments, this then is the place that our thinking most completely
diverges. Part of the
problem arises when we think that any of our math or any of our models
is actually the real thing. Even
our very minds must be models of reality, not the reality itself.
All of our math and all of our models are not the reality itself.
They are merely models of reality.
Thus I cannot accept any of your logic that follows from what I
consider to be false assumptions about the real world.
Also, since it is easy to see that none of these paradoxes
actually represent our experiences in the real world, I wonder why you
are so set in following this pathway, when it doesn't fit reality to
begin with, much less in the end. Page 14-19 The
Meaning of Space, Time, and Matter I of course accept your arguments against the single big bang
model. I have presented
other arguments of my own and believe that the current model is not even
a possible model of cosmology. On page 17 you state, "In a very real sense, this
universe without the possibility of motion or change has not time.
It is interesting that this statement is in complete agreement
with GMOPS. Without the
ability of gravions to change, there is no meaning to time.
Later on the same page you state, "It can therefore be said
in a logically meaningful way that space and time which are empty of
particles and events do not exist!" I think this statement is true, since to have existence, any
physical system must have mass, energy and connections of gravity to our
universe, if we are to know of its existence. On page 19 you assume 5 dimensions as a minimum condition.
However, under GMOPS only three are needed since neither time nor
scale are dimensions. Since
you so often quote Occam's Razor as a truth, then isn't it more in line
with the simplest model to have fewer dimensions rather than more? In your defense of the scale dimension on page 19, you seem
to assume that nature is Euclidean.
GMOPS clearly shows that all connections of gravity
"bend" and thus one cannot assume a one to one relationship
between Euclidean math and reality.
All of relativity is based around the assumption that nature has
an Euclidean nature and relativity is the "correction factor"
between this supposed Euclidean world and the actual measurements we
make that clearly show the world is not Euclidean.
As mankind was rising to awareness on this tiny little one G
planet, Euclidean math seemed to represent reality.
But the farther we go and the closer we measure things, the more
we must realize that nothing in nature is really Euclidean, it just
seems that way in small gravitational fields.
(Remember that compared to most of the rest of the cosmos, the
planet Earth is almost at zero G.) Straight lines do not exist in nature. Gravions are either made "bent" or they bend in
their operations. Thus, in
nature, as strange as it seems, the shortest space between two objects
is not a straight line, but in many cases is vastly curved, because of
the great mass and "curved" space that results.
As an example, look at X-ray pictures of the center of the Milky
Way galaxy, which clearly show great curving arches as matter is
connected to the black holes at the center and are trying to escape, but
are caught by immense gravionic connections that clearly curve great
distances as they "hold on" to the mass, refusing to let go. Page 20-23 The
Many Particle Universe In this section you draw a picture of many particles in a
"container." You
realize that they must "bump" into each other, yet you don't
seem to account for the space each particle must have to realize its own
existence. In nature, it is
always the connections of gravity that are "bumping" into one
another, not generally the masses themselves (although it does happen is
specialized cases). All
pressure, heat transfers, and contact between all masses occur at the
gravitational level and not at the mass level.
Thus although your logic is elegant and well thought through, it
doesn't match what we see in reality and I would suggest that GMOPS
handles the problems you have stated much better than your solution of
solving the problem of gravity by using "mass" (C-gravitons)
instead of realizing that nature must use connections of gravity
(gravions) to accomplish this task.
The very concept of a graviton is an oxy moron.
Either all particles contain gravity (required under GMOPS) or NO
particle by itself can be the carrier of gravity. Gravity must be connections and relationship and mass must be
identity. The two are
required to make any universe and no universe can be made from mass
alone or from gravity alone (as the superstring mathematicians seem want
to do). Chapter 2 On
Gravity From the very beginning, I agree with you when you state,
"… we postulate that 'action at a distance' in its purest form,
with no agents passing between the acting body and affected one, must
logically be impossible." I
heartily agree with this statement and this very fact was one of the
founding principles used in GMOPS.
Where our disagreement comes is in your attempt to make gravity
into a particle when it must clearly be a relationship or a bond of some
type. If you would take
your C-gravitons and your light-carrying medium (LCM) and combine their
properties, one has gravions. Superstring
equations show the familiar electromagnetic sine wave traveling through
their looping superstrings. Clearly
gravions, the connections between masses, are the transport mechanisms
of light and all energies and the "agent" that makes
communication at a distance possible.
It makes much more sense to think of this system as being a set
of connections since we already think of bonds in all aspects of
science. We merely need to
understand that these bonds are gravitational bonds.
It makes no sense to think of the qualities of gravity being
transferred through a series of "particles" which have never
been seen or measured. The
gravitational system has been measured many times before; it is just
that those doing the measuring have not been aware of what they are
measuring. GMOPS predicted that the difference in "speed"
between the connections of gravity and the movement of light through
this system would be evident in all physical systems we see through our
telescopes. Your work has
helped prove this concept and I thank you for the additional evidence
you have offered. I agree
with your assessments that the speed of gravity must be faster than the
speed of light. This brings me to the second principle of GMOPS:
Any coordinate system must update itself faster than the fastest
thing that moves through the system.
You have arrived at the value of greater than 1010 the
speed of light, while I have arrived at the value of C2.
I model many of my systems in my mind.
I could see that contradictions would occur if gravity could not
propagate at a much higher rate than light, which seems to be the
fastest component of the C world. Since
I have always wondered why Einstein's equation has a C2
component, it hit me one day that this was not only the speed of the
gravitational system, but also the range of energies of any real
physical system. Thus I
have settled on C2 as the speed of gravity, while you still
search for a number between C and an infinite velocity.
I will continue to defend C2 as the "real"
speed of the gravitational system, as it seems to meet all requirements
and it adds extra meaning to E=gmc2. Page 28 The Properties of Gravity You start by quoting Newton, "Every two particles of
matter (that share at least one gravion connection) in the universe
attract each other with a force which acts in the line joining them
(gravion), and whose intensity varies as the product of their masses and
inversely with the square of their distances apart."
I have corrected this statement by my comments in parenthesis.
From your descriptions of the sphere of influence, it is clear
that the force of attraction is only between those objects that have
connections of gravity. Once
outside the sphere of influence, there comes a time that any two
physical systems no longer share a relationship with each other and thus
can't share in any exchange of energy.
This is one of the very reasons that the single big bang model is
impossible. Only those
physical systems with gravionic connections can have this relationship
and the limits of the sphere of influence prohibit all the mass of the
cosmos from "knowing" about all the other mass.
Nature can not measure all mass "at the same time," so
there can be no expanding or contracting "universe."
This concept can only exist in the minds of those that think
nature is Euclidean and that the speed and effect of gravity is
infinite. On page 29 you mention the process of heat transfer.
Under GMOPS, any indication of energy flow is an indication of a
connection of gravity. Thus
since we see an energy flow, we can then assume an underlying connection
of gravity to allow these energies to be exchanged from one physical
system to another. In the first full paragraph of this page you come to the
heart of GMOPS. You state
that everything seems to share in this gravitational system, no matter
if it is large or small. This
is because every connection between every mass is a gravitational
connection and is being measured at the rate of C2.
You make the same mistake that so many before you have made.
You assume that gravity is only attractive.
But if gravity is every bond between every mass and if gravities
job is to keep track of everything that exists (mass), then gravity must
also be responsible for holding things the proper distance apart.
The strong force is part of the gravitational system and I
believe is responsible for generating the large looping structures that
have generally been thought of as gravity.
If we want to make a gravionic concentrator, then we must learn
to somehow push the masses closer together, because all of nature shows
us that the closer we push the masses, the greater the space they
define. On page 30 you discuss action at a distance.
I agree with Newton's quote.
The place I disagree with you is in the mechanisms for obtaining
a connection between masses. I think gravions connect mass and you think that tiny little
C-gravitons working through an unknown and unmeasured medium connect
mass. Again I would just
say that to make any universe, one needs things and a relationship of
those things. That cannot
be accomplished with just things. You
must have things and their relationship.
Gravions fill the bill much better than the description you give
of the Meta Model.
The crux of the matter develops on page 33 where you state,
"We might then imagine two possibilities: the agents come from
within the matter which attracts, or the agents originate outside the
matter." You state
that you couldn't intuitively see how agents could come from the matter.
I can't see how they could come from outside the matter, since
then we would have to come up with a model of where these agents might
come from themselves. Since
there is no experimental evidence for the existence of these outside
agents, then it is much better to assume the agents come from within the
mass, since GMOPS states that each real system, even if composed of only
a single particle, must bring its gravitational space into existence
when the particle comes into existence.
Also, because something is not intuitive to you, doesn't mean
that nature couldn't solve the problem.
Many times I have heard scientist say that they can't imagine
"such and such." My
response to them is that I would never let anyone else limit my
imagination, or the imagination of nature.
Because you can't imagine a black hole, does not mean that nature
can't make one. Each of us
is limited by our experiences and our imagination.
I have just tried to not let anyone limit the possibilities I see
in an infinite cosmos. Page 43 The "Instantaneous" Action of Gravity Although gravity is assumed to work instantaneously, I think
we have both come to the conclusion that this can't be true.
If the action were instantaneous, then all gravitational
reactions would exist outside of time. This seems hard for me to accept, since all observed physical
systems seem to have limitations and gravity too must have its
limitations. I think that I
have shown that gravitational events happen rather quickly but they are
not instantaneous. I
basically agree with each of your demonstration arguments that the
gravitational system must update itself faster than light, but not at an
infinite speed. Under New Properties of Gravitation on page 53, I agree that
the gravitational system must act at a speed faster than light and that
there is a limit to the gravitational fields of any real physical
system. I don't agree that
mass can be shielded and photos of black holes negate your arguments, I
think. Proof that black holes exist would "break"
the Meta Model if we can show that no shielding can exist, at least in
natural systems. Every
physical system advertises its gravitational space by the collections of
gravions that make up that system. As proof that black holes do exist, I would like to submit
the following pictures:
The first picture was taken with the Hubble Space Telescope.
The Hubble acted as an "eyepiece" for a giant 2 billion
light year long telescope. This
galaxy cluster was used as a gravitational lens to view another galaxy
that resided a billion light years further away.
Since the gravitational lens acted to make multiple views of the
most distant galaxy appear, a computer was instructed to calculate what
gravity would be necessary to produce the distortions seen.
The above picture was the result of that experiment.
This picture clearly shows a large number of black holes (seen by
the intensities of the peaks) being orbited by a number of galaxies. As you can see, the material from many galaxies has already
gone down the "drain" of the black holes at the center of this
"mess." Additional
galaxies are orbiting this structure, each of which has at least one
black hole in its center. At
the left most upper quadrant, we see two galaxies colliding.
All of these structures are under the gravitational influence of
the black holes at its center and are destined to one day go "down
the drain" themselves. Each
of the peaks represent the basic relationship of E=gmc2, with
the size of the peak representing the "g" portion of the
equation. A BBE will occur
when one of the spikes gets too large, thus taking the energy from the
mass until which time the mass no longer has enough energy to supply a
place to connect gravions. (The
result of these BBEs can be seen in the second picture.
Each void would represent a past Event.)
The system would then come apart, with each mass recovering its
gravity, but now having no relationship to the rest of the existing
universes. Thus E=gmc2 is preserved throughout all real
events, from the energy of a single particle and its gravity to human
beings and their energy to black holes and their combined energy. Since the existence of black holes can now be proven, this
fact negates your arguments about gravitational shielding that are
projected under the Meta Model. Thus
the Metal Model has failed an important test and cannot be considered as
a model that matches the "real" world. As one additional point, I think the above
"picture" helps us explain the motion and direction of the
Milky Way galaxy. I propose
that the Milky Way was once orbiting a very large black hole, much like
the situation above. But at
some point, this large black hole went critical and turned itself into a
BBE. Any event such as this
must have an event horizon, so that not all the material of the cosmos
is in any one event. I
think we were outside this event horizon and once the Event happened,
the Milky Way was "set free" to roam the cosmos.
The initial angular momentum was then converted into
straight-line momentum and that accounts for the great speed of the
Milky Way and the other galaxies traveling with us.
Just as you have corrected analyzed in other areas, the
conversion of a black hole to a BBE would result in an immediate demise
of the sphere of influence of the black hole. Thus all objects orbiting such a structure would immediately
preserve their own sphere of influence, but no longer be under the
control of the once central black hole structure.
If my model is correct, then the Milky Way should be
"flying" from one of the voids of the known cosmos and
approaching one of the filamentous branches of matter that exist between
the "holes." Chapter 3 On
Relativity "Gravity influences the density of the light-carrying
medium (LCM) near matter ingredients (MIs), which in turn can change the
speed of propagation of light and electromagnetic forces."
Philosophically I can't argue that what you propose is not
possible. Every time we say
that something is not possible, we close a door that may just be the
door we need someday in the future.
I think that the first principle precludes the possibility of an
universe made solely from "things," with no connections other
than things "bumping" into one another.
Since you have a light-carrying medium in your model, why don't
you just replace it with a gravion?
Then you can drop the C-gravitons and the MI's because they
wouldn't be necessary. The
connections of gravions can answer your problems much simpler and more
elegantly than having to create "things" which have never been
measured or surmised as real, until the Metal Model.
(Well I guess gravitons have been imagined for a long time, but
I'm still not sure how a C-graviton would differ from a
"regular" graviton, since regular gravitons arose from a
classical view of nature.) I find it amusing that you would say that the Meta Model has
no need for curved space-time, as if that feat were an accomplishment.
Do you realize what you are saying by that statement?
You are saying that you believe that space-time is Euclidean and
that straight lines actually exist.
Again, I think humanity has assumed that fact because in the
early days Newton looked good with his Euclidean assumptions.
And then Einstein came along and showed us how we could correct
for the differences between nature and an Euclidean system, with all its
straight lines. But as we look closer at things, it seems that space
itself is bent. Under
GMOPS, all space is made from the connections of gravity and thus space
is never made straight. Under
GMOPS, there are two kinds of gravions: self-gravions and advertising
gravions. The self-gravions are defined partly by straight
superstrings, but even these bend more often than not.
The advertising gravions are always made bent and represent the
curved space measured so often by gravitational lensing and other
experiments. I believe the advertising gravions come from the straight
ones (normally associated with the strong force) and in fact, they must
in some ways move back and forth between the two states. Consider an asteroid coming from outside our solar system on
a collision course with the Earth.
Make the rock big enough to survive a landing on the Earth.
At first, both systems have their separate mass and gravitational
spheres of influence. These
spheres are modeled gravitationally by the total collection of their
looping superstrings. The
self-gravions within each object work together signifying that they are
part of the same physical system. As
the two bodies first come together, the largest gravions of each body
make contact and merge into a connection of gravity at the speed of C2.
As you know, the energy and movement of the two bodies determine
if this connection is later broken and the asteroid escapes the Earths
gravity, or the connection will not be broken and the object will impact
the Earth. After impact,
the object is now a part of the Earth and in fact is contributing to the
total mass of the Earth. It was probably contributing on the way down.
This information is updated at the speed of gravity, but now what
were once advertising gravions have been made into self-gravions, since
the two objects are now part of the same physical system. In the end, I think the biggest problem that science has
faced in understanding space and time is the insistence that the cosmos
is square. It just ain't
square. It never was. It never will be. And
as long as we try to see things from that perspective, mankind will
continue to get it wrong. One
of my friends once told me that the reason the scientists don't like me
is because I didn't ask them how the cosmos worked.
Well I did try to ask them, but I quickly learned that they
didn't know the answer. So
I asked nature how she worked. I
didn't bring any prejudices into the process, because I didn't care how
she did it, I only wanted to know how and why things work the way they
do. Also, after years of
working on computers and other electronic gadgets, I have developed
methods to keep track of my assumptions. In electronics and especially in computers, your assumptions
and logic are tested in a real manner every single day. Either you fix the computer or you don't.
Your success is measured repeatedly.
If you really want to be able to fix every problem, then one must
keep close track of all assumptions and the logic that follows.
I learned a long time ago that when I had a particularly hard
logical problem, to revisit my assumptions.
I often found the answer there.
Science has come to the point that no one seems to look at his or
her assumptions anymore. They are handed out in college and then proudly worn
around the neck, like some ancient good luck charm.
The assumption that there is some "straight" space out
there waiting to be bent has led to the failure of Einstein and all that
have followed. Another bad
assumption was that since every particle has a beginning, that every
particle might have the same beginning.
Evidence seems to show otherwise. Another problem I have with the Meta Model is that you want
to make all of your analogies between the movement of electromagnetic
energy and the movement of sound traveling through air. Since you propose an unknown and unmeasured medium and ting
particles carrying gravity, I guess it would seem that the analogies
would work. However, there
seems to me to be a fundamental difference between energies I consider
moving through gravions, compared to other movements that seem to be
objects moving and carrying with them their own space.
I don't yet know if there is mass to a "particle" of
light, but I have to come down on the opposite side at this point in
space and time. In essence, I don't think the two can be properly understood
by using that kind of model and will only serve to lead us astray at a
later time. Of course, in
the end, all wave action is associated with gravions and all mass action
is associated with mass. Since
GMOPS states that every real system must have energy stored as both mass
and gravity, the dual nature of all reality is further proof of the
validity of GMOPS. On page 62 you state, "If waves through the CG medium
exist, they must be longitudinal, analogous to sound waves, because the
medium is made up of discrete entities and is not continuous."
If the medium were made of gravionic connections as I have
proposed, then your statement would be false, being based on a false
assumption that the media was not continuous, when gravions are
continuous between connected masses. Next you say "The light-carrying medium must pervade all
space where light can be transmitted." That statement perfectly describes the situation proposed by
GMOPS. Light can only go
where it has transport through the gravitational system.
Since the gravitational system is updated so quickly, light
leaving a star should already have its destination planned by that
system. Of course, as the
system changes, the light may be directed down other gravions, always
adjusting themselves at the speed of gravity. My last comment about this page is where did the LCM and CGs
and Mis come from? If the
process you propose is true, then we must now come up with a method of
formation of space itself, outside the mass.
This leads to untold additional complications, especially since
we can apparently never measure these objects directly in any way. On page 63 you talk of the bending of light assuming a
"flat" space-time. Can
you see how the assumptions of mankind have led us talk this way?
The "flat" space-time exists only in our imaginations,
yet we perceive it as real. On page 65 you talk of gravity waves.
Gravity waves would be real under GMOPS.
However, these would propagate at the speed of gravity, or C2.
That means the system would realign itself very quickly, with the
"wave" passing at the speed of C2. Unless
one was paying close attention, you might not notice that it had
happened, since humans tend to look at things in the C world, while
forgetting about the strings in the C2 world.
It is now Tuesday morning and I'm trying to write again after
hearing the news about the attacks on the world trade center and the
Pentagon. It is hard to
concentrate on issues of space and time, yet in the end, surely a more
complete understanding of these issues will benefit all humanity.
From the gravionic point of view, each universe is moving towards
order. All truly aware
beings must appreciate order and must teach each and every human being
on the planet to cherish that order and work for the common good. It is now the following week. My intention was to read your book and write my report in the
first week that you sent me the material.
I wanted to do this to show you that I had thought deeply and
regularly about the issues of which you write in your book. I wanted you to realize that I couldn't have thought this all
up since I received your book and I would hope that you would understand
how much thought has gone into the many of the problems you propose.
However, events in the world and a previously promised trip to
Texas have kept me from completing this document within my self-imposed
deadline. It is now a week
later and I'll try to finish this and get it sent to you and posted on
the internet. Chapter 4 Stars, Galaxies, and the Universe I always hate it when someone says "the Universe"
(someone assuming that there is only a single universe) when I think the
evidence shows we can see many "universes" out there, each
centered around massive black holes in the middle of galaxies or galaxy
clusters. (I also hate it
when someone uses the phrase "software program," because it is
redundant. Why don’t they
just say software or program? J) I have to admit that I agree with most of what you say in
this chapter. I think the
basic problem with the Meta Model is your belief that space can't arise
from the mass. Your
observations of nature are generally first class, except your model is
based on a false assumption. I
agree with your conclusions about the limited range of gravity.
However, the place we disagree is in your model of large-scale
systems. Since you propose
gravitational screening, your model has stars being created at the
center of a galaxy and then they "stream out" through many of
the great arms. I say that
these stars are streaming inwards and thus our two models may be better
judged once we know the actual "movement" of stars within
streams. Also, these
streams do not seem to occur until a galaxy has had at least one
collision with another galaxy, so I would say they can't occur without
massive black holes at the center of each galaxy drawing systems
together. Everywhere we see a great void in the cosmos is evidence to
me of the existence of a BBE at that location sometime in the past.
Once the gravionic model is allowed to progress through infinity,
once sees that mass would tend to build in certain locations only to be
rendered "useless" by a BBE.
Thus all matter would tend to "concentrate" around
these large voids and would eventually lead to the spider web formations
we now see in the heavens. We also differ in our projections of the great walls of
matter. You would have them
align in waves, due to the wave nature of your CGs in the
"medium." I would
have them aligned in 3 dimensions, around each of the BBE
"explosions" which would tend to form the large
"holes" that we see in the cosmos. Thus our models can be further compared once a complete 3D
model of the visible cosmos is available.
You predict almost 2D waves, while I predict complete 3D
"holes." I agree with most of what you say concerning the red shift. |